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The Power of Vril
« on: October 17, 2010, 04:30:27 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPV-JExUPns&feature=related

Also known as "odic force" or "vril" it is the energy the Vril-ya race use also akin to "Chi" of asia and so forth.

edit: can't find much reliable info on this. I found this:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/talks/28th_annual/28th_annual_blasband_orgone_energy_accumulator_cancer_healing.html

Studies supposedly prove the ability, but this is a biased study. I cannot find any studies by third parties which we can reliably consider unbiased.
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Re: The Power of Vril
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 05:39:16 pm »
it works for me.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2010, 08:17:37 pm »
Here are bracelets designed based on something similar to the "orgone generator". I have seen the demonstrations- they actually work. They probably work on similar principles as astrological talismans whose origin dates back probably to a pre-Sumerian time but are preserved to us in the form of medieval manuscripts (copied from Arabic sources) such as Agrippa's Occult Philosophy.

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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2010, 01:15:10 am »
In the Star Wars lexicon "the force" is supposed to be the Odic force.If you ever noticed that Luke's most important moments he is hung upside down like Odin.Training with Yoda,after he loses in hand in Cloud City,when the monster on Hoth has caputed him so forth.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2010, 04:11:36 pm »
yeah the whole star wars religion is a mixture of taoism with those other influences. Because all these world religions are often teaching the same thing just through a different culture. like European witchcraft is similar to East Asian practices of "chi" work and such. Vril is chi etc.

I think it probably makes more sense the way star wars explains it though. Seems to be a pretty true interpretation of everything. For example it is possible to influence people through "mind tricks" as well as to move very fast because you are connected to the web of wyrd in such a way to see things before they happen.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2010, 06:30:18 pm »
Vril is not chi/orgone/prana.Search for Vril was primarily an obsession of the nazi/right wing occultists from Thule Society,Ahnenerbe (SS scientific corps of a sorts),there is a rumour of the existence of Vril Society who specialized in search for Vril but the existence of that society has not been verified and is based on the following claim:

"Willy Ley was a German rocket engineer who had emigrated to the United States in 1937. In 1947, he published an article entitled "Pseudoscience in Naziland" in the science fiction magazine Astounding Science Fiction. There he attempted to explain to his readers how National Socialism could have fallen on such a fertile ground in Germany. He explained this with the high popularity of irrational convictions in Germany during the time. Among other pseudo-scientific groups he mentions a very peculiar one: "The next group was literally founded upon a novel. That group which I think called itself Wahrheitsgesellschaft - Society for Truth - and which was more or less localized in Berlin, devoted its spare time looking for Vril."

Society For Truth is probably inspiration for the alleged Vril Society.Groups interested in the Vril and usually associated with extreme right wing ideas,Aryanism and Germanic neopaganism fluourished in Austria and Germany from late 19th century onwards.Some prominent figures from those times are Guido Von List,Lanz Von Liebenfels,Karl Maria Wiligut,Karl Haushofer,Rudolf Von Sebottendorff etc.Many prominent nazis were fascinated by the occult,Heinrich Himmler being the most prominent example who was fascinated by magic,runes,Germanic paganism,Hinduism,Tibetan mysticism etc.It went so far that the SS sponsored an expedition to Tibet in the late 1930s to investigate the roots of Aryan race and search for mythical places like Shamballa and Agharti.They believed the masters of the world from those places will help them restore the Aryan race to its former glory.According to Russians they found a number of dead Tibetans wearing green gloves and SS uniforms in Berlin when they invaded it,they performed a ritual suicide.The legend says they were Tibetan black magicians and members of the Asian secret order known as Order Of The Green Dragon of which there is some evidence that it existed in China,Tibet and Japan.It was believed by the nazi occultists that energy of Vril is emanating from the Black Sun,a spiritual center somewhere in the cosmos that can renew the Aryan race and is a source of great spiritual power.Descriptions of Vril and its effects indicate that if it exists,it must be some form of very advanced manipulation of the atoms because it was able to produce devastating physical destruction,something chi/orgone/prana cannot do.

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Re: The Power of Vril
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 12:10:31 am »
No.

Vril is a German word for energy but like a energy like "chi". This goes back maybe 1,000 years.

There were various novels written around the 1900s and more recently about various racial themes. The Vril-ya are an underground advanced superior race. They are from Aryan ancestry. They harvest an energy known as "Vril" which is in the body, the atmosphere, and everywhere (this was done by tesla and there are known ways to do this in small quantities in science today- basically you can harvest the latent energy from various radio waves and such all around us) but in myth the vril-ya could do this on a massive scale and the energy even lit the underground. their underground world was agartha.

In some myths the advanced Aryans live underground naturally. white people are mix breeds between Aryans and other humans. because the real Vril-ya have never seen sunlight. So they are blue like (the hindu gods for example are blue) because of such pale skin (blue blood). They burn in the sun, are very bright complected (brighter than the sun) from whiteness and so on. They also are the root of vampire myths because they dwell at night and cannot stand the sun.

Curiously electro-magnetics and radio waves are different spectrums of "light" but invisible. In myth the black sun is invisible light. The Aryans in blavatsky's myths and the Vril-Ya in these other myths harvested the energy of "invisible light" some say even their bodies could "feed off" this energy which gave them powers above other humans. Yet like I said this is real radio waves and such can be harvested for energy and they are in fact invisible light- the black sun!

It's just myth. Maybe there is truth to it but I don't know how seriously anyone could take it.

But actually chi does run through the earth and sky same as vril. I have had demonstrations in martial arts where if I lifted my foot a hold would be released, because body energy travels through the body into the ground and into the sky. It's not a myth its a real thing that's why all the myths are the same. There is also latent energy everywhere. How do you think your cell phone can pick up a signal? These waves are all around they can be harvested for energy. matter itself yes also harvested. It is all theoretically possible.

Curiously the Vril-ya myths actually make some sense. Because Nordics have tall skinny frames, and are not very hairy. This is not well adapted for cold regions! Yet they are also pale which is not adapted for southern regions! An underground explanation makes sense but I guess also the warm and mild but northerly locations around the oceans of Europe (like France, Denmark etc.) I guess could also make sense.

A lot of white racists and such seem to mix up that fact Nordics are not the best adapted at cold actually eskimo people and such genetically are most immune to northern climates!

Anyway Vril is just the German word for it so of course the Nazis will use a German word, what should they call it- a Chinese word like Chi?

If China names the moon one thing, and Russians name it something different it still is the moon. It's not a myth but a real measurable thing. That's why it was rediscovered so many times and given so many different names.

The power of Vril and the symbol of the swastika symbolize that man becomes a God. It is that man and nature are in perfect sync and thus the human will has no limits on its potential power. That is the meaning behind it. The Nazi idea is an evolution of humanity- to improve and go beyond our limitations. So the Vril-ya is a symbolic pursuit.

You must understand that the liberal media is mostly by people who fear and hate Nazis, have no understanding of the culture or myths and also even when they do understand it they purposely try to make it look more absurd than it really is. So out of 3 million Nazis with seemingly logical pursuits (v-2 rockets and so forth for example) they find one crazy person trying to find the black sun or something and make a documentary about it, then they get their facts all wrong in the process as well!

I am not a Nazi but these are things I have been reading about for quite a while now and find very interesting.
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Re: The Power of Vril
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 02:36:17 am »
You must understand that the liberal media is mostly by people who fear and hate Nazis, have no understanding of the culture or myths and also even when they do understand it they purposely try to make it look more absurd than it really is.

Should I remind you what the Nazis have done? Don't wanna go offtopic but, c'mon, u're defending something who can't be defended...

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 02:55:34 am »
Should I remind you what the Nazis have done? Don't wanna go offtopic but, c'mon, u're defending something who can't be defended...

See? That's exactly what he meant...
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 04:57:51 am »
Oh, I see, Nazis are really cool and funny guys, jewish people never understood that... so they ended up as smoke floating on the air. Shame on the liberal media, those evil bastards...

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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 08:24:21 am »
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2010, 06:08:14 pm »
Come on my forum for such discussions. That's why I made it. But the main focus of my forum is making money and self improvement but also exiting discussions on occult etc.

The Vril-Ya myths were not written by Nazis. There are various novels written by various authors with usually some kind of racial theme to them. The people wrote the novels as entertainment. Not as some racist ideal anybody that takes them seriously is crazy.

Interestingly the main person who brought racism into the occult was madame Blavatsky- a Jewish Russian who integrated racism into occult ideas, which some Nazis seemed to have adopted! So I suppose to be against these ideas is also anti-semetism. Anyway talking about such things has no relation to being a nazi but people always become offended.

We can continue discussion over here:

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I get where I don't want to post on therion because it always ends with someone offended over what seems to be nothing. But alas! very boring otherwise not having people to chat with so I got to bring people to my forum. It's boring only talking about one thing- therion music.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2010, 07:49:36 pm »
I get where I don't want to post on therion because it always ends with someone offended over what seems to be nothing. But alas! very boring otherwise not having people to chat with so I got to bring people to my forum. It's boring only talking about one thing- therion music.
and talking about what?
seems like you are the only one in your "forum" so that stick in there and spare us from your wise thoughts
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2010, 08:58:05 pm »
I just built the forum yesterday I will be bringing people into. Even if there are very few people on the forum it is also a resource tool. For example: if you are interested in a business network you can look under "Global Networks" these are real organizations that are working together for business deals. They have been operating for many years and several of them are doing business transactions in the millions of dollars. If you want a local network there is also a "local network" forum for people that will help you with business and making $$. I have networks both for wealthy individuals and for regular people as well. (not all these networks are run by me or have my involvement!).

Secondly optimal business techniques will be documented along with optimal (most effective) occult techniques. It is a total forum for self improvement.

Let's say someone in Mexico needs help paying for school. He is talented, hard working, honest etc. but has no chances in life. Someone in Holland might be willing to evaluate his character and say "if you come work for me after you graduate, I'll help pay for your school!" This is "right wing" charity- helping people with talent rather than destroying talent, abusing anyone that stands above the rest and subisidizing the lowest people in society. We also have a charity network simply to do good deeds and give back to the community. If someone is interested in helping others it's there.

Let's say you want to start a business but don't have the money- well that's what private loan clubs are for or business networks. Or you are an investor and want to maximize your returns. Networks are the number one key to success!

This network will be bringing in people interested in doing for themselves- not expecting others to take care of them nor expecting others to make the forum exiting. The forum is what you make of it, or I make of it etc. People interested in these subjects and activities have a place to get together. For example if you live in Berlin and want a local network there you don't just log in and say "oh no network in Berlin. Why won't the government take care of me. Why wont this web-site build a network for me." No you go out and you find people in your local city and say "hey here let's start a net-work and list it on this forum".

I have searched all over the web and can't find any forum like it, which is why I made my own! I can't believe so few people out of 10,000,000,000,000 people on earth actually want to improve themselves! That's why they call degenerates "commoners"

There are a few networks for college graduates that are invitation only that I have found and a few forums for millionaires, but this is a network that anybody willing to improve themselves can get into. Hey I'm dirt poor and working to improve my situation. I figure it is perfectly feasable that I will be a millionaire by the time I'm old! But the more people I can work together with, the easier it is for all of us!
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2010, 09:36:49 pm »
As for the "Nazis" if you look into alot of Therion songs you will see alot of stuff that was used by the Nazis but that stuff exsisted before they formed and has been branded as bad because of it.The idea of "The Black Sun" for example could have been the third worship.First came the "lunar" then the "solar" and then the supermassive Black Hole that exsists at the center of our galaxy.Occultists hinted at this but it was only "discovered" by the modern sciencist in the 20th century.This unknow ,could been a center of power unknow to people but know to the "Gods" or Aliens that came to our world and told some people of Earth.Hitler was a classic "man against time" who saw the Jews as a whole but was really railing against "the merchant class" and his distrust of both democracy and communism.I am not going to defend him but seeing him (Hitler) as just evil or dissmissing the notion of some of the occultism they studied would not be wise.The power of Virl in the book "The Coming Race" is just one of the many ideas that went into the Nazi Occult along Germanic Folk Legends,madame Blavatsky,Guido Von List and many more.People like Von List studied this ideas but came to realized they where not for the masses.What happened in Nazi Germany shows how wrong people's ideals can go ,once the unwashed masses get ahold of them.Mostly everyone knows the USA killed more Native Americans than the Nazis killed Jews under the idea of expanding room for European peoples moving to the New World but beacause they won and lack of motion picture cameras to record how, creates a different point of view on what was done.
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2010, 10:07:55 pm »
The fact that people get upset about race and "Nazis" shows that they are simply being manipulated by what they are taught in school, see on TV etc. For example why are Nazis evil? because they killed 6 million Jews?

http://www.conservapedia.com/Death_toll_of_communism

The number of Soviet citizens killed by the Stalin ....The most reliable estimate today is somewhere around 20 million.

Stalin killed 20 million of his own people! and in college they let us read the works of this "genius" and praise Marxism. Yet any mention of Nazis and rather than rational debate comes threats of violence or retribution "get out!".

Under Mao in China 50 million have been killed including ethnic minorities.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Death_toll_of_communism

Just in one period of Christianity (the inquisition) millions were killed which was a much higher percentage of the population at the time. Christianity is openly praised in society:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_died_from_the_Inquisition

Let's not even go into Islam. So I find none of this to be rational. "you like chocalate! The Nazis like chocalate! Bann him" its not even the same thing. I don't even support Nazis. I simply oppose "political correctness" of today.

Yeah nothing in Therion is racist or Nazis but most of it is related in some way to something "racist". The reason is prior to the liberal-marxist reform of culture in the 1960s everything in the previous culture is racist and unacceptable by today's standards. Today a person must believe in contradictory things in order not to be labeled racist, so its not a rational philosophy but being politically correct is about hate and threats.

For example the Lemurians were one of the 7 races of man who progressively evolved in past aeons (blavatsky). This may be considered "racist" by anyone who is threatened by it. Why I don't know. Any mention of race is racist if it isn't mentioned in a way which is degrading to white people. Just like black pride is not racist and white pride is racist. The fact that I don't degrade myself and mistreat a certain group of people makes others feel threatened. I don't get it??

Half of therion's lyrics is Jewish based anyway would hardly seem to be Nazi. But again here people will jump up and say Therion is Nazi because they are afraid and fearful of everything. There are a lot of hateful people out there but I don't see how any mention of race suddenly becomes associated with hate or killing or something. It's because of brainwashing from TV and such.
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2010, 11:42:45 pm »
Yes I don't believe that Therion or it's fans have any illusions of taking over the world and setting things "right" and Chris is somewhat a "man above time" as he believes in the cycle of time and the Nordic idea of fate.I have been reading some works by Julius Evola and have found them most inspiring and he was a person the Nazi's rejected.BTW some of the terms I used came from Savitri Devi who wrote a book called "Son of the Son".Maybe someone here has come acroos that title before :wink:
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2010, 06:48:39 am »
Every so often this type of discussion arises. Stop doing that. It's getting old.
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2010, 10:31:00 am »
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2010, 11:33:56 pm »
deathmetal why don't you discuss this on my forum? this is the kind of stuff that interests me but not well liked here even though it is not about being racist or anything.

I have several interesting comments on this. Just start a topic in the lounge or something over there.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2010, 08:16:25 am »
Just have a decent discussion with proper arguments and there is no problem at all.
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2010, 08:18:30 pm »
Everything about the occult is related to race, that's the problem. it's better to populate my forum anyway :-) there I don't have to worry about what I say. I mean isn't evola anti-Marxist and therefore "racist" and not tolerated? That's the thing on a liberal forum anything that disagrees with political correctness is not tolerated on the so-called "racist" forums then everything is open for discussion (so its true liberalism whereas modern liberalism is oppression calling itself freedom).

I haven't read his works but from looking at the wikipedia entry on Evola I have to say this:

supposedly he advocates the old traditional Roman Pagan ways.

yet he is focused on some abstract spiritual principle.

Traditional Greek, Roman and other Aryan religions are based on the principle that strength is good, power is good, sex and pleasure is good. Whereas his focus seems very Judeo-Christian focusing on abstract spiritual principles.

Overall the problem I have with most of the "esoteric" writers is that they are losers. What actual useful thing comes from their work? If somebody theorizes about physics we have practical applications such as nuclear reactors. If someone theorizes about social theory- again applications. The occultist is confined to the world of fiction where nothing needs to be proven and no tangible results neccessary. Even ancient religion like Christianity, the Hindu system etc. actually produced practices, and a society, it all had a point.

That's where I get bored of reading all these people. most of them died poor and broke and most of their followers are worse off than average people. So where is this "secret knowledge" or "great magickal power" they possess. Similar story to Crowley. Even if the person found a way to be happy and understand the world I could agree with that as useful.

But again they throw out contradictory and speculative information it doesn't seem to inspire much confidence or happiness. What it leads to is that people who really can't be successful in some useful field can easily be an expert in a field of bullshit which requires no results. "yes uh I studied the great works of Gurdjieff". I mean its all facinating and maybe some tiny bit of useful information in it. It's good to studied as a form of entertainment if there is nothing else to do.

I just have become more and more interested in actual useful things, which is the point of my forum..

But an interesting and more valid argument of the Nazis is anti-logical. It is the belief that your basic core beliefs and values in life (racism, Marxism, conservative, liberal etc.) are not logical. they are based on a basic premise (for all logic is based on certain assumptions anyway- mostly observed realities via the senses)- this premise is instinctual, spiritual if you will.

Everything I'm reading about evola though is pure non-sense from what I can see. But there is some grounds for the argument that certain knowledge can be "felt" or aquired in a non-rational way.


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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2010, 09:00:56 pm »
Can we try to write just a few posts now without words like "race" and "Nazi" in it. Those are words I really feel are unnecessary here and they seems kinda forced into the discussion.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2010, 09:36:13 pm »

Overall the problem I have with most of the "esoteric" writers is that they are losers. What actual useful thing comes from their work? If somebody theorizes about physics we have practical applications such as nuclear reactors. If someone theorizes about social theory- again applications. The occultist is confined to the world of fiction where nothing needs to be proven and no tangible results neccessary. Even ancient religion like Christianity, the Hindu system etc. actually produced practices, and a society, it all had a point.

That's where I get bored of reading all these people. most of them died poor and broke and most of their followers are worse off than average people. So where is this "secret knowledge" or "great magickal power" they possess. Similar story to Crowley. Even if the person found a way to be happy and understand the world I could agree with that as useful.

But to me that is the most useful part,most people gain an interest in the occult for some reasons like they want someone to love them ,they want power and control over the world,they want to be rich or so forth.This is called the Path of the "lesser" or " minor" as opposed to bigger works.Really the human or "ape-like" part of humans wants this just more and more with no discipline over their self at all.They fall for shitty Gods like those of the Jew ,Christian and Muslim that offer riches and power if you follow their way and their way only and offer easy of redemption man's souls.Man falls into decay and becomes no more than retarded children with all their great hopes for a better future ready to be easlily smashed.Evola believes we are in the dark age /Kali Yuga and the only real thing you can do is perpare yourself to rise above it.His book "Ride The Tiger" is a great read and until someone has read it and either said this is shit or wow I can't believe someone wrote all this down and is so unknown,I really wouldn't want to expand this conversation any farther.Yes alot of the Mordern world celebrates the inferior,science gives children to people who shouldn't have them at all,guilt ridden rock stars and celebrities keep places like Africa on life support to make a so called "better world" and all this is done in the name of God or progressivism.On the other hand you find the Merchant Class who want to expolit the same people to enrich themsleves.Evola is neither a left or right person as they are know today.He is someone who would rather see the World fall into darkness and chaos knowning that a new Golden age will arise.Fighting against these things to him seems like fighting against the sun rising and falling in the sky.I do not know how these people (Crowley,Evola and like) felt at the end of their lifes but hopefully it was wothout regrets.
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2010, 10:19:39 pm »
Can we try to write just a few posts now without words like "race" and "Nazi" in it. Those are words I really feel are unnecessary here and they seems kinda forced into the discussion.

That's why I try bringing this somewhere else. It's not forced its just naturally what I'm thinking.

Something else was said earlier and I really wanted to reply to that, but I felt it would not be well liked. And it goes with all this. I percieve Christianity (and even to a lesser degree Islam) as totally different from Judaism. The comment was that Christianity encourages anti-semitism or something like that. Christianity encourages people to worship Jews as a holy people. the only churches that don't are a few renegade churches that are off the mainstream.

Christianity is about weakness and submission, Islam is to a lesser degree. The word Islam literally means "submission". Here people learn to be slaves, sheep, whatever you want to call it and serve a master. They do this because they feel they can't solve their own problems in life or have a need to fit into a group. In the middle ages they did it because they would be killed if they didn't. I look at these religions with disgust.

Judaism by contrast is about empowerment. Where the Christian is taught to believe unquestioningly from day 1 Jews are taught to question things. They argue akin to the classical Greeks. Thus the Talmud has many "interpretations" (can't think of the word right now for it- midrash?). Where christians look at wealth as "evil" and power as "bad" the Jew is taught that money is great and power wonderful. I see Christianity as being the religion for the slaves of Jews.

So today when no one is forced to be Christian, why are people Christian? Because they are weak. If they wanted power, wealth etc. they probably wouldn't be Christian. To want such things takes ambition which the Christian doesn't have. The sickness and decay of society today is largely from a Christian root. Marxism (and modern liberal notions) is just Christianity repackaged without God. Christianity praises the sick, the weak, the slave, and above all the poor. Marxism does the same thing.

Liberal and reform Judaism especially the kind found in America especially on the East Coast is also so evolved and progressive- so totally logical and in line with science, reason and achievement, I really respect it. The more "orthodox" Jews are a little more backwards but its still fairly respectable.

The fact that Jews are the same as Christians and Muslims is what Jews want people to think! Wolf in sheeps clothing.

I agree with you! I have the same beliefs! I will read the book.

One of the arguments of anti-semetism though is that Jews are an elite class thus (and this is against capitalists as well) to make money and be more powerful they need to encourage more stupid Christians, more weak and slaves. Just like how a white slave owner wants to breed more weak and stupid black slaves. So by its nature this form of religion causes destruction because it is not self sufficient or rooted in its own nation but rooted in exploiting others as specific economic class of people (merchants) according to this definition though Judaism is a religion based on a book- not race. Because as soon as the person gives up this "belief" they are no longer Jewish.

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2010, 10:25:16 pm »
Can we try to write just a few posts now without words like "race" and "Nazi" in it. Those are words I really feel are unnecessary here and they seems kinda forced into the discussion.
We could use  From Wiki :The term "Odinism" tends to be associated with racialist Nordic ideology, as opposed to "Asatru" which may or may not refer to racialist or "folkish" ideals. As defined by Goodrick-Clarke (2002), Nordic racial paganism is synonymous with the Odinist movement (including some who identify as Wotanist). He describes it as a "spiritual rediscovery of the Aryan ancestral gods...intended to embed the white races in a sacred worldview that supports their tribal feeling", and expressed in "imaginative forms of ritual magic and ceremonial forms of fraternal fellowship".But that has it problems also to me it is just a Un-Christian idea,maybe we should just use Un-Christian but then we would be labeled Satanists or something,I agree though.
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2010, 12:27:40 am »
"Evola believes we are in the dark age /Kali Yuga and the only real thing you can do is perpare yourself to rise above it."

the liberal/marxist (better called degenerate) whatever you want to call society today is exploitative and parasitical.

Why do they hand out charity and prop up places like Africa? It's the same reason for Christianity: to keep people weak. If they taught Africans to do for themselves and made Africans stronger then Africans could rise up as Equals to others. But as long as Africa is dependant on handouts and freebies they are weak. When they are weak they are enslaved and take orders from others. People are enslaved today through ideas and economic slavery. They aren't smart enough to understand the system and they are kept stupid and spiritually weak by Marxism.

Do you really think the people at the top are that stupid to believe Marxism, Christianity etc.? The top government people know of studies that prove that these social policies harm the people they intend to help (look up some of charles murrays work). The Christian leaders also know their religion is B.S. but they use it for self power.

But this is corrupt power. Power that relies on making others weak and feeding off of them rather than a power that strives for excellense. That is the conflict between modern degeneracy and the true noble concept. Leaders today are clever but that intelligence is harvested for destructive ends rather than anything constructive.

In this society of kali yuga the smart are hated (nerds, geeks etc.), the strong despised (jocks they are called), the beautiful hated, anything dominant is hated (white culture for example) and so on. Whereas the poor are praised as special (read the new testament) the stupid are considered good. Laziness is virtue and so on. It is everywhere in the attitudes of people! Society or the government can't fix people's attitudes, that is a cultural thing!


Exactly the point of my group. Only a moron seeks to "fix the world" through focusing on the world. It is like something I have wrote about being a "master" it involves first mastery over yourself. How can you master others if you don't have yourself in control.

Logically fixing a family can only start with fixing yourself. Fixing the local community starts by fixing the family. Fixing the globe starts with fixing the local community and so on. People who are weak and deranged look to cling to the group to compensate their weakness I hear this constantly from Marxists and Liberals "we are too big to fail" they think somehow that 10 idiots will be smarter than 1 genius, or that 100 lazy people will be richer than 1 man that works hard.

I do emphasize that the first key to success is networking and working together but a group (or globe) cannot compensate for the lack of quality in the individual.

Folkish Asatru is about reclaiming our native tradition and maintaining our distinct culture and people. It is no different than Native Americans who connect with their Native community and culture and seek to preserve their race, or Jews who do it or anyone else. But current society is fearful and hating towards white society. Many of them feel they can't do things on their own so they feel that if whites start to feel they don't need "diversity" it might mean an end to their meal ticket (the nice white soceities, welfare etc.) they enjoy.

But in the end they don't realize that society cannot compensate their own weakness. The United States, European governments etc. are in decline and will fall. The welfare and propping up of parasites wont continue forever. It doesn't matter if whites are racist or not it doesn't change the reality that you can't make something from nothing.

I am a folkish Asatruar because it is a way of life to empower myself, and I know I can only see myself in terms of my community, thus family, and building a future for my descendants is part of a complete spiritual practice. I have no desire to harm anyone, force my ideas on the world or anything. I just think if I take care of myself and don't "tolerate" criminals, parasites, and other free loaders in my life that they will destroy themselves. I also am preparing for the collapse of the United States and Western society (or trying to prepare at least).

It's hard because most people (including whites) are total morons. It's kinda hard to succeed in a community of losers because we all affect each other.

Also about time being in cycles. Actually if we look at the earth it appears flat. But up in space we see it is round. time is the same. It is both a line and a circle, thus the cross with the circle around it is a symbol of this nature of existence and that is why the Egyptian Ankh is a symbol of time, eternity, and eternal return (reincarnation).

Nobility: noble people discriminate. That is the nature of nobility to choose from what is worthy and unworthy. But they aren't too concerned with race as a huge group. They are concerned with their own family, friends, etc. and how race relates to them directly. They don't think of large groups or other people, but their own life.

A noble person might say "I don't want to live around those people because they are bad neighbors" but he doesn't care about what people are doing on the other side of the globe unless it affects him in some way. He only cares about national politics to the degree that it affects himself generally. He does charity by treating people properly in his own life, not organizing some big fund raiser.

But many racist whites are also liberal but don't realize it. They want to live in a non-competitive environment just as the marxist white haters do. They want to be valued on the accomplishments of the group rather than on their own worth. They cry out for the government to fix their problems and like to blame others for their situation. So really these kinds of racists are true brothers to the liberals who hate them. The only differance is these whites are being left out of the meal ticket. They don't get the same welfare and special treatment that non-whites get. So they cry because they want everything free and handed to them and race is just an excuse for that.

I care about the government and society but at some point if I see that society is not like me, then I cease to care then I look out for myself. I realize it makes no sense to try to change a million people who don't think like me- that is only weakness!

They all need collective action, to be told what to do, strong rules to follow (or not follow) and not be responsible or held acountable. All the same kali yuga. By the way the cycle of ages also found in Greek writings and Germanic writings. I just think it is explained better in the Vedas.
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Re: The Power of Vril
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2010, 06:17:39 am »
Everything about the occult is related to race, that's the problem.
Well, race is something people came up with, so that means the occult stuff is something people came up with? By the way, I thought occult stuff was related to spirits, demons and other things I cannot remember right now.

That's the thing on a liberal forum anything that disagrees with political correctness is not tolerated on the so-called "racist" forums then everything is open for discussion (so its true liberalism whereas modern liberalism is oppression calling itself freedom).
It has nothing to do with political correctness or liberalism. Freedom is defined by boundaries, so we set boundaries. It's that simple.
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2010, 03:22:02 pm »
Occultism has little to do with race,white man can evoke African gods and black man can evoke Scandinavian gods with no problems,it helps a bit to connect to a certain pantheon if one belongs to the "correct" collective spirit related to that pantheon (because the occultist grew up and lives in the area permeated with energies of that pantheon
 regardless of whether that pantheon is still actively worshipped or not) but that does not mean that any god,demon,angel or any other entity has racial worldview,this is verified by countless occultists,blacks have used rune magic and invoked Germanic gods,whites invoked African gods etc.For otherwordly entities we are all humans,how they perceive humans as a whole is an entirely different story not related to this discussion.Religions were shaped by the descent of archetypal powers through the collective subconsciousness of a certain group of people,that subconsciousness being also influenced by local environmental factors and social structure,hence the similar elements found in many ancient religions (archetypal powers from the higher planes) and local manifestations,in the Middle East Sun was a dangerous enemy but in Europe Sun was a beneficial and desirable,hence the difference in perception of solar gods in the Middle East and in Europe,this is just one example of how local religions evolved and how archetypal powers manifest in a different way in different areas,though their essence is always the same.Note-this applies generally to the ancient "pagan" religions,monotheistic religions were not entirely created by this process,there is a substantial conscious human tinkering in monotheistic religions and the process in those is therefore tainted by modifications that were conscious constructs,often made for ulterior,not spiritual,motives.
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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2010, 04:44:29 pm »
Society is a human construct along with everything that pertains to society: culture, race, religion etc. We can say it is a human way of organizing. So yes different "idealogical" orientations of people and different social groups will define each of those differently.

There is another word for which is on wiki but basically there is a theory that I subscribe to in which any group of people come together as a community and focus their attention on a specific spiritual goal they create a "spirit" this entity is created from the collective energy of the congregants but takes on a mind and power of its own. Their "god" if you will. In this way I think even different Christians are tapping into a different form of Jesus which represents their respective community and ideology (thus all the different types of representations of Jesus).

What is "racist" about occultism is that there are many theories of superior beings, different races with different levels of accomplishment and ability etc. So there are weak people who feel threatened by any hint of their own inferiority so they scream racism whenever they are reminded that one group can accomplish more than another.

I must say I have met many black people, East Asians and so forth that completely agree with my "racist" ideas and support me and we became good friends. The reason is they are smart, strong people who can stand on their own accomplishments. They don't need to be artificially respected, they don't need to rely on the group for their validity- they have inner quality. And the Marxism disgusts them just as much as me because like me they came from poverty. And this poverty was caused by the stupidity and failure of the people living there not by society.

Well let's go into Weltanschuung- world view. I know I didn't spell that right. If someone has a different inherent nature then they will view a culture differently. The culture is like the glove and the person is like the hand. The glove can change shape to fit the hand that wears it. Thus look at how many people follow the bible supposedly and have totally different religions. black churches aren't like white churches etc. this is the folkish element. The local region and the blood of the people influence their own practice die sitte. That's what folkists believe anyway.

In folkish ideology religion and beliefs are 90% instinct and 10% logic. though sometimes this instinct is over ridden by a need to conform to a group. So no one reasons out that "all people should be equal" no they start with that premise from an instinctual urge inside them. Most people don't reason out most of their religion it is instinct. Thus the goal of the folkist is to find his "racial soul" that is the basic primal spirit inside him, and the basic instincts that exist within his soul. From there if his religion is fitting his own primal nature then he will be much happier in life. No one can tell you your primal nature you must find it. I guess this is similar to Therion's belief in finding your "shadow" or dark side. though it doesn't mean its dark or evil, just often it doesn't conform with society's standards. Then you become like a god willing your own destiny once you are aware of your true self and able to rise up and shape the world around you according to your *true will*.

Bias is an inescapable element of existing. Nothing can be biased or neutral because reality depends on the observer (take Einstein's relativity for example). I may look at you and say you are standing still. Someone in space may say that you are zipping by at several thousand miles per hour on the planet earth. There is no absolute reality. This was invented by the monotheist religions- universalist faiths. All pagan faiths originally were pretty much based on some form of 'world view' they believed their reality was not for everyone, but rather adapted for a specific people, or a specific region or city and so on. Certain common principles existed in all of them though but this was adapted to the local reality. Man know thyself.



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